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QUESTIONS:
If someone is in hell forever and suffering there how does that equates to been dead?
God told Adam
"but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.” [Genesis 2:17 NIV]
Satan told Eve
“You will not certainly die,” [Genesis 3:4 NIV]
Please from what Adam and Eve knew what is death?
And who lied between Satan and God since Adam and Eve are now in hell forever suffering as they are not dead according to what God said?
ANSWERS:
So to answer your questions:
First, Adam and Eve are no longer in hell, but delivered from hell into heaven by the Second Adam, the Lord Jesus Christ. The Lord descended into Hell to save mankind beginning with saving Adam and Eve because they were the father and mother of all the living.
Secondly, God told the truth while the Serpent lied — because they died indeed the day they ate of the forbidden tree.
Thirdly, someone damned or condemned to suffering forever in hell is dead in all ramifications of being dead. Hell is the realm or world of the dead.
Your misunderstanding of the whole meaning of the dead or death stem from your idea of what death or dead means but different from what I have been explaining.
**** Your idea about death is being lifeless, motionless, becoming non-existing in all realms or ramifications. To you being dead means disappeared or vanished into nothingness, vanity and now non-existent. While the world and their scientists define death or the dead by those lines, those are not the meaning of the dead or death in spiritual or true reality.
>>>> To Scientists = Living things are things with characteristics of living things such as in the acronym, "MR NIGER D" or "MRS NIGER" or "MRS C GREN" (whichever suits your location) — Standing for *MR NIGER D = Movement, Respiration, Nutrition, Irritability, Growth, Excretion, Reproduction, Death.* Anything that does or have ability for these things are called living, while the non-living things or dead things are incapable of any of them.
>>>> To the Spiritual = Even Dead People still have or do *MR NIGER D = Movement, Respiration, Nutrition, Irritability, Growth, Excretion, Reproduction, Death.* There is no time a human soul or person ever becomes unable to exhibit characteristics of living things. Those characteristics do not define whether a person or soul is dead or not: those characteristics only define what realm or world the person is active or passive. E.g. if someone does not exhibit any of those characteristics of living things, we the spiritual do not say the person is dead, we only say he is absent (passive) in this realm but present (active) in another realm. So also, if someone is full of those characteristics of living things, we still do not say the person is alive, though the person is present in this world or realm obviously and not absent — dead people to us are people disconnected from God of Life and are fallen in sin, heading to hell.
**** These are the true realities and definitions of the Dead, Dying or Death:
To be dead simply means to be detached, be severed, be disconnected, be cast out or fall from the height, of a body's essence or source of life.
It is disconnection, not disappearance, of a person from his living body or life source. I already showed from the Angel of life and death matters how Adam death's took three or more detachments or disconnection that stripped him of life while he descended into death. Adam became a dying man, which means his death was in process of dying before it completed his death about 5000 years later, unlike how Abel who died instantly because he was killed by Cain.
1. First, let me discuss the detachment or disconnection of death with Abel before returning to Adam you asked as case study.
When Cain killed Abel, Cain thought the person of Abel has disappeared forever and silenced in oblivion of nothingness the way you and other people regard dead people as non-existent anywhere. But no, Abel, the first man to ever completely die in human understanding, was still alive and living though he was dead. His soul was only detached from his body, but his blood was still alive so that if scientists had used microscope to study his blood cells anytime after he was dead in the body, they would have found his blood cells still alive or moving and exhibiting characteristics of living things. Even today, some scientists discovered that the sperm cell of a freshly dead man's body can still give life and pregnancy to egg of a woman. Bottomline, Abel, though dead in the body, was still alive, moving and speaking, though he could no longer touch physical objects or be felt by them.
2. Back to Adam: You have heard there is "First Death" and "Second Death." Within First Death, there are levels or stages of death to complete the First death. Here are two stages of death Adam underwent: {1} Death of his body's incorruptible and glorious essence, and {2} Death of his body's ghost and breath of life essence, about 930 years later. Then finally been bound in hell with chains of death in hell.
QUS
Describe Death of Adam's body's incorruptible and glorious essence
ANS:
When Adam ate the forbidden tree, Adam's Body died instantly, which was when Adam saw he was naked. His body had lost or detached from glorious body he had, into this average body humans now have. Check your healthy body now, and see what Adam became reduced to, though in those days even their reduced bodies were far more healthier and stronger than what humans now have that can barely live up to 120 years without failing.
In contrast to Adam, Moses went from average body to obtaining the kind of body Adam lost. When Moses had seen God from behind, his body underwent transfiguration and became glorious, shiny and bright like some degree of sun. That new found body of Moses, though he veiled his face or body from people who feared light and preferred darkness, was like the body Adam and Eve lost in the first stroke of death in the event of eating of the forbidden tree.
See the twist of events, Adam's Body that could never die was killed by the forbidden tree, and reduced to the average adamic or fallen body, while Adam continued living in the reduced body that became vulnerable to infections or became naked to exposures or attacks.
On the other hand, Moses body could never be destroyed by any worm, virus, decomposition, fire or destruction, unless Moses eat of the forbidden tree of knowledge of good and evil. Though Moses died because God struck him for he was not to enter the promised land for his son, though he begged God for forgiveness but was not granted, yet the body of Moses was incorruptible and indestructible because even if the body was without clothing that body was never naked or vulnerable. Satan fought to possess Moses' body for himself but Michael ensured the body of Moses was taken to heaven. For even though God his where He buried the Body of Moses, Satan was more busy searching to exhume and possess the Body of Moses more than Satan or demons would possess any other man's body especially not those who have destroyed or degraded their bodies through fornication and uncleanness.
God later allowed Satan ability to destroy Job's untouchable body with worm, virus and boils, but God still kept Job's life untouchable to Satan. But what did Job prophesied concerning the same body?
[Job 19:25-27] — "For I know that my Redeemer lives, and that He shall stand at the latter day on the earth: And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God: Whom I shall see for myself, and my eyes shall behold, and not another; though my reins be consumed within me."
QUESTIONS:
Quote where the Bible says
1.Adam and Eve are now in heaven.
2. Jesus descended to hell to save mankind beginning with Adam.
ANSWERS:
As to question 2
Adam and Eve were among the pre-Noah's flood generations of people in Sheol, to whom the Lord Jesus Christ descended into Hell or Sheol to preach the Gospel.
[1 Peter 3:18-20 LBP] — "For Christ also once suffered for our sins, a just Man for sinners, that He might bring you to God, wherefore while He died in the flesh, He lives in the Spirit. And He preached to the souls imprisoned in Sheol; Those who in the past were disobedient; and in the days of Noah, when the Spirit of God had patience, He commanded an ark to be made in the hope of their repentance, but only eight souls entered into it, and were saved by it floating upon the water."
And Adam and Eve were among the saints that rose from the dead by death and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. And when He, the Lord Jesus was lifted up in ascending, He drew all men He saved from Hell to Him and with Him in the Heavenly City, including Adam and Eve. John 12: 32-33, Matthew 27:50-53, Isaiah 26:19. When the Lord Jesus descended into Hell, He led Captivity captive, but set the captives who believed in Him free: and On ascending He drew all those souls or spirits with Him from Hell or Sheol onto unto the Holy Mountain of God in Heaven. Psalms 68:18, Ephesians 4:8-10.
Now to Question 1
Well, there is no where in the 66 Booked Bible that such statements were made verbatim. But there are other spiritual Books outside the Bible that reveal the truth and reality of the salvation and abode of Adam and Eve presently in heaven through the Cross and Grace of the Lord Jesus Christ.
This is what I will do instead from the Bible on this matter to show you why the Salvation of mankind must begin with or include the Salvation and participation of the first man and woman, who were the first Man, the first to taste sin, the first and the reason why all men died and needed salvation, and why it must be the Seed of the Woman or the Son of the Man [their descendant] that must correct and redeem their errors if mankind must be restored: For since Adam and Eve were not perfect, someone from among their descendants or offspring must be perfect and be all that Adam and Eve could not be in the image and kingdom of God. Four Groups of Points below
{1}. For the Lord to be the Son of Man and still the Son of God, involves the participation of Adam's Name. The Bible states, that Adam was the son of God. As it is written,
[Luke 3:38] — "Cainan was the son of Enos. Enos was the son of Seth. Seth was the son of Adam. Adam was the son of God."
{2}. First, Adam is the only "Man" in the complete spiritual legal sense apart from the Lord Jesus who is the Second Adam. Only these two were in the Image of God, Adam and the Lord Jesus Christ. No other human is either qualified as "Man" in strict spiritual legal sense or qualified as the "Image of God." Other humans including you and me are all bearing the image of Adam first, and then some of us migrated into bearing the image of the Lord Jesus Christ afterwards. And in strict spiritual legal sense, all other humans including you and me are children of man or men.
{3}. To further on the point above, here is reference:
[Genesis 5:1-3] — "This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made He him; Male and female created He them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth:"
From this scripture you that: Adam was in the likeness of God, but his offspring was in the likeness of Adam, not God. You also saw that Adam was the name God called both the Male and the Female, in the same day they were created.
This means in the same day they were created, which was on Friday {6th Day}, — The same day they were created was also the same day they sinned and lost the Garden of Eden — Friday, was the same day they were named, and they named all animals too.
Actually the first time the word Adam was used as his name was when he was to name the animals God brought to him. So God first named him before God used him to name others including naming the woman.
But the Woman received three names in that same Day: Since God called him Adam while she was still inside the man, she was still Adam even when she was taken out of the man or migrated from male into female.
The Hebrew word for "Adam" is the same Hebrew word for "Man." Therefore, Adam = Man.
So, both the male and female were called "Man" or "Adam." But Adam called her "Wo+Man" or "Woman" because she was taken out of Man. Woman is not the name that shows or identifies she's Female, rather Woman is the name that shows or identifies she's Taken Out of man. There's no name that shows or identifies she's female except female: For both the male and female were together called Adam. This mystery of plurality in singleness of one the perfection of the Man as the Image of God. Without this plurality or multiple in one, Man wouldn't be complete in the Image of God: — Therefore, "It was not good for the man to be alone" — the man was supposed to be multiple or plural, because God is multiple or plural yet one. Hence the two shall become one.
Here was the reason and the upgrade: — when God said, Let Us make Man in our Image, after Our Likeness — One God, but Multiple or Plural Beings yet One God or One He. The man He (God) was referring was "him" but the "him" is singular that must also be "them." So the "them" was inside the "him" to complete him as in the image and likeness of God: And let "them" inside the him have dominion over all earth realm things.
So, just as the Hebrew name of God, "Elohim" means "Multiple God Beings" in One, even so the name of the Man, "Adam" means "Multiple Them [Male and Female] Man Beings" in One. The Two are One, and the two shall become One.
The third or last name of the Woman, was not to show or identify her as female or as taken out of man, but to show all living mankind taken out of her — That name is "Eve" or "Eva" or "Evelyn." It means she is the Mother of all Living or like I said that "All Living taken out of her."
A. Her name as "Adam or Man" means she must also exist because without her existing and together with the Man or Adam, it will not be good for the Man to be alone: — She must pluralize the singleness of the male to qualify them being the Man or Adam together.
B. Her name as "Woman" means she was taken out of the man.
C. Her name as "Eve, Eva or Evelyn" means the man (Adam) too has to be taken out of her so that all the living will come out of her.
How can the man (Adam) be taken out of her (Eve) when she was the one taken out of Adam, the man?
Your question sounds like Nicodemus question to the Lord Jesus, saying, "How can a man be born again when he is old? Will he enter again into his mother's womb and be reborn? [John 3:4].
Yes, Adam had to enter into Eve and then come out of Eve repeatedly for all living to come out of Eve. The process of Adam going and coming out of Eve is called "Sexual Intercourse." Once Adam successfully went into her and came out, She became one with him and figuratively became mother of Adam, and Adam became the first of the Living of whom Eve the mother of all living, mothered. Thus, each subsequent time Adam called her Eve, Adam was indirectly calling her mother.
All these were by the Wisdom of God making arrangements for the Seed of the Woman, One who qualifies as the offspring of Eve, to redeem both her mistake and living mankind.
Behold the Lord Jesus Christ came, made of a woman who was an offspring of Eve, and made under the Law, to redeem those who are under the Law — Galatians 4:4-5.
{4}. So Adam and Eve were important stakeholders who also participated in the success of the Lord Jesus Christ in the redemption and restoration of all things. Adam and Eve were deliberate in putting all things in place while awaiting the coming of the Messiah. Adam was the first king on earth before the fall, and Adam was the first priest on earth after the fall. The success of Abel in offering to God was thanks to Adam.
It seems people only remember the sin of Adam and Eve because of the pains and death they caused, but I tell you, apart from that sin of eating of the forbidden tree Adam and Eve lived a sinless and righteous life throughout the rest of their lives, almost for 1000 years.
Imagine Adam and Eve lived 930 years, and no single single was found in them except the sin of the forbidden tree, which they committed in their earliest or first day on earth. The rest of their lives, they never again sinned against God, or against man, or against animals, or against nature, etc. They never lied, never stole, never polluted any body of water, never killed any animal or insect for no good reason, never hated any man, never committed fornication, etc, and they lived in one of the hardest times to live on earth for almost 1000 years with continuous temptations and harassment of Satan for no other humans to occupy the attention of Satan but only Adam and Eve, yet they were without sin apart from the eating of the forbidden tree.
Now compare that to your own record of maybe 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, or 100 years you have lived in a relatively better world and how sins you have in your records.
Are you then expecting the Lord Jesus Christ to save worse sinners from hell with record of average of (70*7)/100 sins per year, but leave Adam and Eve in hell forever when their record is only 1/930 sin per year?
Calculate your own rate of sin per year to show if you would have done better or worse than Adam or Eve in the Garden of Eden or in heaven if your rate of sin per year, since Adam or Eve record stands at 1/930 which is 0.0010753 sin per year.